So after all the information on price and specs that have come across so far, do you plan on purchasing a PS3 on launch?
I'm pretty sure I am.
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So after all the information on price and specs that have come across so far, do you plan on purchasing a PS3 on launch?
I'm pretty sure I am.
No, for 300 quid...just no...
I'm thinking so. Luckily I've ben saving up for a while for either a 360 or PS3. I decided that I would wait for more details on the PS3 to judge which to buy. After the press conference, it seems that the PS3 will be quite awesome. Sure, they might have stolen ideas, but the thing is that they were GOOD ideas. So, yes, I think I will be getting one on launch.
AT $600+ for the non-crippled console set? Fsck no.
Hell, they STILL don't have any 360s in the PXs in Europe!
I'll wait an entire YEAR to see if it tanks or the price comes down to reality levels, i.e. $300 or lower for the full-feature.
I still say Blu-Ray is going to tank.
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We're on the same page. Could I afford it? Yeah. But they've definately hit that line where it's just too much to pay for gaming. It already felt rediculous paying $400 for the xbox! $600...some f*cking nerve...
At launch...f**k no.
Sounds to me like they threw the motion control into a PS2 controller after Nintendo announced their controller. Looks like a hack-job to me.
I mean, look how bad the original design was slammed in the press.
You'll be able to tell if it's a hack-job based upon the number of launch titles that actually USE the new movement-control features: if there aren't any, it's a last-minute hack job, if there's only ONE, it's STILL a last minute hack-job. If ALL of them support it, it's just a controller hack thrown in for lazy people.
Oh it's a hackjob for sure. And I bet it'll be rarely utilized and people will forget all about it.
I'm sure they jumped on board with the motion controller to not miss out on the exclusive gameplay that Wii could have offered relating to sports games like Madden, etc.
Naw, I'm gonna wait till atleast the first price drop. You know, depending on my financial situation.
I am going to wait about a year till they get all the bugs out of it the last thing i want to do is drop 400 to 600$ on something that is buggy look at all the systems that released the first couple of baches suck for instance when xbox 360 launched ps2 ect
no. they rehashed the dual shock yet again(huge turn off), they're charging more then i'm willing to pay for a video game system, no one even knows how much the games and accessories will cost yet, but i bet it'll be a lot. so unless they announce a game that i absolutely positively must have, i wont buy it at launch. hell there's a good chance that i wont buy it at all.
I always thought the PS3 was $500... and only $600 if you want more storage? Are there any more disadvantages to getting the $500 one?
But I'm definitely getting one... although I'm doubting it a little though, because I hear a lot of people not liking the PS3... maybe because they are too much of fanboys to be open minded. Right now I have a XBOX 360, I'm gonna want a PS3, and heck, someday I'll have a Wii too.
$500 version doesn't have memory stick ports, HDMI or WiFi so its basically crap.Zitat:
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Just because you don't like the PS3 does not make you closed minded. People are allowed to hate things as long as they have a valid reason.
I am not getting a PS3 straight away as I probably wont have a HDTV by the time it comes out. Come to think of it, I will only be able to afford one by the end of next summer.
Alright... that really sucks. So buying the $500 version would be like buying the core for XBOX 360.. a total waste. Do you need an HDTV to play the PS3? If so.. there goes me getting a PS3.Zitat:
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Yes, then not upgrade and wait for an exploit. Unless, it costs way too much, then I'll wait.
I want to but there is no way in hell i will have enough money, and at that price my parents definately wont buy one for me
Yes, to what? The fact it needs HD? Just to make sure, can I see a source of some sort, so I know its just not just rumors?Zitat:
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He was saying yes to purchasing one at launch. And it can't even be compared to a core 360. The core can at least be upgraded to premium level...
yes, i will
Hell yah but im gonna wait till price will go down
Im not going to get it at launch, I am going to wait for a price drop and get the 60gb one. Though PS3 is pretty exciteing and everything, but best thing to do is wait til all the kinks in the shipments and the defected PS3s are out of the way!
Wait - so do you need HD or not? Because I don't have an HDTV, and probably never will.
You do if you want to watch Blueray movies correctly via the console.Zitat:
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Yeah, like Blu-Ray is going to catch on....not.
Check these "facts" about Blu-Ray discs...
Will Blu-ray require an Internet connection?
No, you will not need an Internet connection for basic playback of Blu-ray movies. The Internet connection will only be needed for value-added features such as downloading new extras, watching recent movie trailers, web browsing, etc. It will also be required to authorize managed copies of Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network.
Will Blu-ray down-convert analog outputs?
No, Blu-ray players will not down-convert the analog output signal unless the video contains something called an Image Constraint Token (ICT). This feature is not part of the Blu-ray Disc spec, but of the AACS copy-protection system also adopted by HD-DVD. In the end it will be up to each movie studio to decide if they want to use this "feature" on their releases or not. The good news is that Sony, Disney, Fox, Paramount, MGM and Universal have already stated that they have no intention of using this feature. The other studios, which have yet to announce their plans, will most likely follow suit to avoid getting bad publicity. If any of the studios still decide to use ICT they will have to state this on the cover of their movies, so you should have no problem avoiding these titles.
Will Blu-ray support mandatory managed copy?
Yes, mandatory managed copy (MMC) will be part of the Blu-ray format. This feature will enable consumers to make legal copies of their Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network. Please note that "mandatory" refers to the movies having to offer this capability, while it will be up to each hardware manufacturer to decide if they want to support this feature.
Blu-Ray is going to die. The only thing that might save it is if Apple goes ahead and slaps BD burners in their upcoming machines. But at today's current costs for such drives, don't expect to see it ANYTIME soon.
And some more generic "facts" as they are known at this time:
3.12 Will BD/HD DVD players be able to playback the other high definition DVD formats?
Yes and no. No in that the official specifications obviously won't mention rival formats, unless it's to slag them off, but as with support for DVDs, it would be stupid for many manufacturers (especially those that haven't strongly backed any single format) to not support all the major formats, just like how DVD recordable multi-drives (DVD+ and DVD- support in one drive) is the de-facto standard at the moment.
3.13 What about copy protection? Will it be as weak as DVD's CSS?
One major lesson that the movie studios have learnt with DVD is that copy protection is something they should take much more seriously, and they have done just that with the next generation formats, although some would argue that there are still inherent weaknesses in the copy protection scheme chosen.
BD and HD DVD will both use AACS (Advanced Access Content System) to protect its digital data. It is very similar to the flawed CSS, but the "key" difference is in how the various decryption keys are distributed. AES encryption is to be used.
There is actually a lot of computer science behind this, including binary trees, public/private keys and what have you, so I won't bore you with it. Basically, a key is like the normal use of the word: a device used to unlock something. All BD/HD DVD players will have sets of keys that can unlock the data on BDs/HD DVDs. Studios have the power to revoke keys, or prevent certain keys from being used to unlock the data (e.g. keys that have been posted publicly after being hacked). So far so good (or bad), as this is how CSS functions as well, although it's much harder for CSS to revoke keys because the keys are not structured properly like with AACS. Once a key is revoked, future discs will not carry this key, and players using this key will can no longer playback these new discs. The real intention here is not to disable players, but rather, stop ripping software that uses a set of "leaked" or "hacked" keys to rip disc. There might be a situation where a particular hardware player's keys have all been leaked, and it will no longer be able to playback new discs.
Now, there have been a lot of discussion about AACS requiring an Internet connection to update keys and so forth, as well as checking for content authorisation (pay per play, etc...), but this is not really true of standalone hardware players, at least not right now (although by launch time, this may change, but it's hard to imagine Internet connections being required by default, as this would wipe out a huge segment of the consumer base). Only software based players will require this key update, as it isn't really practical to implement an "Internet connection" requirement for hardware. An Internet connection might be useful if say a hardware player's keys have all been leaked and revoked, so a new set can be issued to the player through an Internet update. Although allowing updates through the Internet opens up a whole other set of issues, like security. Besides, this kind of copy protection can be implemented without an Internet connection, as in the case of SPDC (see below).
And as long as hackers don't post keys publicly, or produce tools which randomly generates working keys, this scheme won't even work to provide any protection. Even if there was a large scale leak, say if all the keys of a certain hardware manufacturer are leaked, a mass revocation may not work either because this would cause big problems for existing players of said manufacturer (assuming it is an "established" name), and a lot of headaches to a lot of normal consumers (but we'll probably have to get used to this sooner or later). If a "minor" manufacturer has its keys revoked (e.g. a small manufacturer that did not pay licensing fees), then people who have purchased this player might be in a bit of bother, but this is probably one of the intended effects of this new copy protection scheme.
Unfortunately, the Blu-Ray Disc Association has deemed AACS insufficient, and has also added support for Self-Protecting Digital Content (SPDC), or what it calls BD+, and "ROM Mark". Starting with ROM Mark, it is a unique and undetectable identifier produced in the manufacturing phase that prevents mass piracy. Fair enough. BD+ or SPDC, on the other hand, has come under some criticism. BD+ allows discs to carry title specific security logic, basically means that each disc can contain code that can be run on a BD player to allow or disallow playback (although the player's behaviour is not modified, and will return to normal once the disc is ejected). Whether this code can be used maliciously by hackers (e.g. a pirated disc distributed on the Internet, which can shut down a player, forcing the user to reboot and quickly eject the malicious disc before the code is run again), we can only wait to find out.
More information on SPDC can be found here: http://www.cryptography.com/technology/spdc/
[b]In November 2005, HP has requested "Managed Copy" to be added to the Blu-ray specifications as a mandatory features. That request was subsequently approved, so now both Blu-ray and HD DVD will have mandatory managed copy support. Managed copy refers to the part of the copy protection system that allows backups to be made, as well as the content to be played back remotely (eg. over a home network). Microsoft has recently cited this to be one of the main reasons for its shift of support towards HD DVD, before Blu-ray made it mandatory as well.[b]
(NOTE: Please note the last sentence in that paragraph)
3.14 So why have AACS if it might not work?
The very same reasons why the (non-working) CSS and (non-working) region protection schemes are still in place today.
Licensing is the cash cow of the 21st century. By only providing working keys to manufacturers that pay you licensing fees (at your own schedule/price), every time a device capable of playing BD/HD DVD is produced, a licensing fee is paid to the founders of the formats. This is also why there are two major and two minor high definition DVD formats, as opposed to just the one (see section 2.6).
So in actual fact, AACS is more of a licensing protection scheme, than a copy protection scheme, and any inconvenience consumers have to suffer as a result is much less important, in the eye of the format founders, than the billions in income that licensing will generate in the lifetime of these high definition formats.
http://www.digital-digest.com/highdefdvd/faq.txt
NOTE: Last updated on 5 FEB 06!!!
Even worse then a core since you cant upgrade it. You dont need a HDTV to play the ps3 but you do need a HDTV and HDMI ports to watch the PS3's blu ray movies in HD.Zitat:
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As for me if i have the money i just might buy a ps3 just to say i have one :p
too expensive...im prolly not getting a PS# at all...but Im geting the revolution on launch..and the 360 afterwards
Black 599$ PS3 with 2 games and an extra controller. Thats what I'm gonna get.
{EDIT}At launch
If math serves me rightZitat:
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(1)600
(2)50-60
(1)30-50
Plus tax
Have fun with 750+
The games are 80-100 each...Zitat:
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if i get a gift(check) from my uncle for about 350-400 and sell my 1.5 psp(best buy warinty so i can get my full 250 back (found one dead dot on my psp) and trade in my psps i just barly cover the system
but do you really think i gana do all that for just one thing noooooooo
You must be joking? Cite a source for me, bitte.Zitat:
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NO....Zitat:
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$600 for a console to get all of the normal features it should have in the basic package? No thanks, I got fscked over when I bought a PSP, its not going to happen again. Nintendo is the direction im going.
waaayyy tooo expensive at launch
gonna wait a year or two
You get what you pay for. In this case, Blu-Ray.Zitat:
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Exactly. You get the 21st century version of Sony's betamax format.Zitat:
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Ohhhh. betamax what a great idea:(Zitat:
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I can't remember where I heard it...but I think the outragous price is because of the Blu-Ray.. :neutral: If it weren't for the horid game prices of the PS3 then I might buy it...buy 80-100 per game is just....evilZitat:
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If thats how you want to put it, then nobody wants to PAY for what they are getting. Its like Sony went from making consoles to making a personal computer.Zitat:
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Better analogy. A car company makes semi-affordable cars for 5 years, then one year they stop making all past models and start making newer more expensive models with extreme upgrades. Then they make a semi-less expensive model, but take away all of its extra features leaving most people with no option to buy any model whatsoever because they are going to be fscked anyway you look at it.
Sony going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to get themselves off my sh*tlist this time.